Types of Bids

[mickmackusa]

(07-16-2013, 01:13 PM)FLACKprb Wrote:  It would be nice to have links to the glossary where terms are defined, or better yet pop ups defining the term without leaving the page.

This is on my to-do list, and has been for a while.
I'm rather busy with my real work work, so it may not come for a little while.
Patience please.
Thanks for the suggestion.

[mickmackusa]

(07-16-2013, 01:15 PM)ToreadorElder Wrote:  Well, it's two words, but I like the term 'meld-ask' or 'meld-asking'...because it describes the bid, with the implicit assertion that you're interested in taking the bid and playing the hand.

While I don't dislike Meld-Ask for what it says, there are times in a bidding competition when a player is bidding to win and not asking for meld. When two opposing players are bidding without their partners in, neither one is Asking for Meld; they are purely trying to win. For what I am creating on the site, I would like the generic term to cover these bids as well. Do you have something for that?

[ToreadorElder]

Does 'bid type' really matter once your partner's passed?

The whole point about 'bid type' is to express, in broad terms, the kind of hand you have...in other words, to tell partner something. Once partner's a passed hand, he can't do anything with the information. You're on your own for the rest of the auction, so you can make any bid you want for any reason you want.

[mickmackusa]

(07-17-2013, 04:22 PM)ToreadorElder Wrote:  Does 'bid type' really matter once your partner's passed?

For what I am asking, yes.

(07-17-2013, 04:22 PM)ToreadorElder Wrote:  The whole point about 'bid type' is to express, in broad terms, the kind of hand you have...in other words, to tell partner something. Once partner's a passed hand, he can't do anything with the information. You're on your own for the rest of the auction, so you can make any bid you want for any reason you want.

I am not necessarily seeking a way to communicate to a partner, as much as I am trying to communicate as a commentator would about contract bidding. I need language for all aspects of contract bidding.
It may seem trivial, but I think every type of bid should have a name. This may just be the programmer in me trying to id everything. Is this a bit OCD, maybe, but I don't feel I need to apologize for it this time.

Let's say there is a Yahoo game playing, and I am kibitzing and someone else is kibitzing and we are talking about the bidding. I might want to say that certain players are going to do Meld Bids, Meld-Ask Bids, Acquisition Bids, etc. and then continue with why the bids are happening and to what upper limit.

I want to have the capacity to be seamless in the explanation of the bidding. This is the motivation for a complete vocabulary. This could also benefit the to-be-created Power Pinochle videos.

[ToreadorElder]

Once it's down to 2 players, the others having passed, there's not much to say. Each bidder has all the information he's ever going to have. If you're kibitzing and are allowed to see all 4 hands, about all you can talk about is what each bidder's upper limit is. The bids below that aren't meaningful.

[richardpaulhall]

We're not talking about the numeric value of a bid. But a name to describe the meaning of a bid.

When partner has passed your next bid could have several meanings:

pure bluff, you don't want the bid but you do want to push the opponents higher
semi-bluff, you have some play at that level. but you would rather push the opponents higher
competition, you want to play the hand
shut out, the hand is yours, they would have to be crazy to bid
sacrifice, it is better you "go set" than the opponents take the bid, state of the match
gamesmanship, you are biding to upset the opponents, goading them
(you have a double run; 60-65!, 70-75!, 80-85!, 90-95!, 100-105!;

[ToreadorElder]

Haven't you just answered your own question? The *bid* itself is not particularly relevant, it's the motivation behind the bid, and there are numerous possibilities as you spelled out. The terminology has absolutely nothing to do with the bid; it discusses an action.

Now...if you want to define the actions...there's

competing (you don't jump over opponent's last bid)
stealing, or appearing to steal...bidding to what is likely your opponent's comfortable level (50,pass,pass,60...60 is commonly as high as opener can go).

That's about it. Sure, some bids are bluffs, or semi-bluffs, or gamesmanship. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the bid made. If you can't see the bidder's hand, you have no clue. If you, then generally it's obvious. From the standpoint of teaching videos...what's the teaching point? There IS NO meaning attributable at the table.

[rakbeater]

When you are classifying and categorizing something, then the name is what matters. This has nothing to do with playing, but with getting a name that we like. That is what Mick is getting opinions on.

[FLACKprb]

(07-18-2013, 05:05 PM)rakbeater Wrote:  When you are classifying and categorizing something, then the name is what matters. This has nothing to do with playing, but with getting a name that we like. That is what Mick is getting opinions on.

The name of the song is called "HADDOCKS' EYES."'
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'Then I ought to have said "That's what the SONG is called"?' Alice corrected herself.
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...
'But the tune ISN'T his own invention,' she said to herself: 'it's "I GIVE THEE ALL, I CAN NO MORE."' She stood and listened very attentively, but no tears came into her eyes.

--"Through the Looking Glass and what Alice found there", Lewis Carroll

Sorry, I couldn't resist, one of my favorite quotes. It illustrates the point of needing commonly defined terminology which is a must in communication.
A dictionary of terminology goes a long way in effective communication (to the programmers out there think "Data Dictionary"

[rakbeater]

hahaha, Welcome to the forums Flackprb, I love the posts!